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Lord Fitz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.12 11:08:00 -
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All other T2 BPOs are like this, it was obvious ammo copy times were a bug, it was fixed. Think of it this way, with less ammo being made the profitability may enter the postitive relm again, because it certainly wasn't profitable to make them before, if you could make twice as many or not.
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Lord Fitz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 11:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Tergiminius
Actually copy time now is around 10x longer than when it was reduced in Dec 07 in the last expansion. I checked today and a 100run scorch would be 85 days but last time I did it it was 8 1/2 days.
However, the prices won't rise back up again much due to this as the bonus given at the time doesn't compete with the bonus they also made at the very same patch to invention by making the number of runs 10 instead of 1. Prior to that expansion invented laser ammo bpcs were 1run base and now they're 10.
The invented base runs is T2 Production Limit / 10. So if they increased the T2 Production limit by 10x, the copy time would go up 10x and the number of invented runs would go up 10x. I think you have just found the reason both these things happened at the same time. Previously you were getting 8 1/2 days for 10 runs, now it's 85 days for 100 runs etc.
Obviously also they increased the copy times back to what they were per run.
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Lord Fitz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.14 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Fitz on 14/06/2008 20:05:06
Originally by: Miko Draco
How is anyone supposed to know that the copy times were a bug when there is nothing to compare with???
When T2 BPOs were first introduced, people balked at them having longer copy times than build times. CCP designed it this way so that the BPO owners simply couldn't print the BPCs and have it as an instant isk maker, in order to get the isk they actually have to BUILD from the BPO. 6 months ago this changed, for ammo only, at the same time they were messing with invention, introducing new advanced labs etc. This was a bug, and for 6 months to fix a bug, that is FAST. I still have an invention implant in my head that does NOTHING after over a year.
You have to look at the effect this will have, for much of the T2 ammo the price is less than 1% from the build cost. When the supply gets reduced, and the demand doesn't you will likely make the same profit with less need for build slots and labs etc etc.
That CCP didn't come out and say this is a bug and we'll fix it, this happens all the time, even when they do promise to fix something broken it can take well over a year. And this was only something fairly simple.
It's not a 'good' way that you were supposed to know, but communication of such things is not CCP's strong point unless you've been around a while there are some things you might not know.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.19 17:17:00 -
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Invention profits have nothing to do with BPO owners. The amount of supply from BPO owners is miniscule in comparison to the demand on all but the most dodgy of products.
So if you removed all the BPOs tomorrow, invention would be no more profitable. It's actually the 10,000 odd inventors that will force the profits right back down to near 0 again. And invention is still profitable, provided you find items the other inventors have ignored.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.19 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: easei
I'm thinking that a lot of the BPO owners knew this was going to happen since within the past weeks leading up to the patch everyone seemed to be selling their ammo BPO's (and now even more so). As a buyer you probably want to know why someone would sell a t2 BPO if it's still making isk.
Alot of them weren't making isk though, some of the T2 ammo is downright worthless and is sold for within 0.5% of the build cost. With this change there is a small chance that they will start making money again, although most of the flaws are with the ammo themselves so they won;t make big money until the ammo is fixed.
People were selling T2 ammo BPOs that you could run copies of from now until the end of eve, and unless something is done to buff the ammo, they'd make never make the asking price back.
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